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This Month's Topic
Den Chiefs

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Introductions & Announcements

Main Presentation: Den Chiefs

Discussion: Q&A from Forum Messages

Other Discussion: WoodBadge Quickies

The Cooking School

Next Month's Topic

Closing


Introductions & Announcements

Let me introduce this months Staff:

Paul Eustace (73542,655) (73542.655@compuserve.com)

Paul L. Johnson (74724,3473) (74724,3473@compuserve.com)

Chris Marsey (hyper@HiWAAY.net)

Jim Sleezer

Rick Rambo (72440,2664) (72440.2664@compuserve.com)

Murphy Peter

Stella Maris B Hall

Alan Houser

Announcements:

(What Roundtable would be complete without announcements?)

Welcome to the new CyberScout Roundtable participants on the Internet (Scouts-L and U.S. Scouting Service). Feel free to share a copy of the CSR at your next Roundtable.

If anyone else has any comments or additions, please feel free to jump in.

Paul Eustace
CSR Commissioner
73542,655

Main Presentation


Main Presentation: Commissioner Service
Main Presentation: Den Chiefs

Our presentation this month will focus on Den Chiefs. I have included questions and comments from several sources including CompuServe and Scouts-L participants along with local (Sam Houston Area Council) sources.

Introduction

Den Chiefs provide one of the greater services for the Den Leader but the position is often misunderstood and misused. According to the Scoutmaster Handbook, The den chief works with a den of Cub Scouts led by an adult called a den leader. He helps with den meetings, helps the Cub Scouts earn achievements, and serves as a Scout role model for the younger boys. Working with the assistant Scoutmaster for new Scouts, he also acts as a recruiter by bringing graduating Webelos Scouts into the troop and by promoting joint pack-troop activities. He is a key link between the pack and the troop.

A couple of weeks ago I left a message on both CompuServe and Scouts-L and received several replies, including the following:

Date:	Mon., 10 Jul 1995 22:37:07 -0700
From:	Alan Houser <troop24@EMF.NET>
Subject:	Managing Den Chiefs

Now that the Eagle Court and Summer Camp are behind me, I'm starting to think about next year.  And Den Chiefs are a question mark for this fall.

Last year was the first time we had more than one or two Den Chiefs, and some patterns seem to have become clearer.  Mainly, I have noticed that our Den Chiefs seem to be less active in the troop than they were before.  When we had only 1 or 2 it was not so noticeable, but last year with 6, it seemed to be a real consistent pattern.  Part of it may be that they receive less attention for what they do during troop activities, part may be just the extra time that another meeting takes during the week.  But previous Den Chiefs have not seemed to re-integrate well after serving with a Den for a year or more. Has anyone else noticed anything like this?  If so, what does one do about it?

Here are some ideas that I am toying with for this coming year.  Let me know if you have tried these and how they worked out.

1) Have an Assistant Scoutmaster who works with the Den Chiefs, and who will hold periodic group meetings with them for them to share experiences. (We had Den Chiefs in 3 different packs last year, and may add 1 or 2 more this year, so they don't all see each other when they are with their packs.)

2) Have each Den Chief bring his den to a troop meeting during the year, even non-Webelos dens.

Do you have any other suggestions about how to keep the Den Chiefs integrated in the troop?

Thanks.

Alan R. Houser ** Scoutmaster, Berkeley Troop 24 ** troop24@emf.net
** WWW page **  http://www.emf.net/~troop24/t24.html **

Alan has a good idea in addressing his Den Chiefs individually. Our Scouts are just like you and me and have only 168 hours each week to do everything that they want to do. This includes School, Church, homework, Troop Meetings, Sports, Den Meetings, watching television, and the inevitable hanging out. If you have one ASM dedicated to the Den Chief program (Alan appears to have a real program, not just one or two Scouts helping now and then.) I imagine that they will be more successful in their role and there will be less chance that youll burn them out.

The invitation extended to the Dens to attend the Troop Meeting has a multiple benefit that may not be readily apparent. True, it brings the Boy Scouts back to the home Troop, but it also can begin to show the Cub Scouts the depth of the Boy Scout program. If all of the Den Chiefs bring their Dens to the same meeting it can intensify the effect  the sheer size of the program may hit them and help them understand that they are not alone in this. (For years I have noted that unit leaders - Troop and Pack - have a very myopic view of the Scouting world unless they move up to work on some of the District or Council events. When that happens they start to see how Scouting is organized and how different units can work together. I believe that this can happen for both Scouts and Scouters.)

Next: Discussion: Q&A from Forum Messages


Discussion: Q&A from Forum Messages

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Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 1995 11:12:29 PDT
From:    jacobi.PARC@XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Managing Den Chiefs

I can not really give advice on the original question how to keep the Den Chiefs integrated in the troop.  However, I'd like to illuminate the problem from the other side.

I wish the Boy Scouts would clearly and unmistakenly treat Den Chief positions as leadership positions.  We (Cub Scouts) have not enough Den Chiefs, our Den Chiefs are not trained and are too young.  This might be a vicious circle. Boys which apply for Den Chief positions at my pack are usually the previous cubs in their first year of Boy Scouts.  Those boys are just to young for the job.  But they really leave us cub scouts with the dilemma, take the boy now, or, don't have a Den Chief at all.

About keeping them integrated in the troop, let me also ask, how can we integrate them into the pack?  This year I dreamed to organize activities with the Den Chiefs, for several reasons some of which I'll get into.  But, it didn't work out because their troops had too many requirements on the boys. There was just no way I could force other requirements onto the boys without making them full time scouts and neglecting school.

We really lost quality by not having any Den Chief activities.  Not only were the Den Chiefs not trained right but much worse, the Den Leaders were not exposed to the Den Chiefs without the cubs.  My Den Leaders would benefit from an activity with the Den Chiefs even more then the boys.  You all know how difficult it is for a scoutmaster to let the boys run the troop.  Now imagine a Den Leader with less training and being used to cubs were the grown ups run the program...  It just happens more often then not that Den Chiefs are treated like one more cub in the den.  So if you think to make some Den Chief event, please invite the Den Leaders (and train them too, without calling this training).

(It doesn't have to be the way it is, there exist other systems:  In Switzerland in some councils Den Chiefs give up their allegiance to the troop and register with the pack.  In the rest, the cubs do their own recruiting and training for Den Chiefs; they might even recruit boys or girls without any previous scouting experience.  The pack has no adult Den Leaders and the Den Chief position is a mixture of Den Chief and Den Leader.  Of course that could not work in the US.)

Chris

Bill Sills (Sea Scout Commodore) writes some sage words:

The other big problem was the ever decreasing age of the available Boy Scouts. Den Chiefs simply must be older and more mature than the boys in their den. Generally, high school freshmen are the useful minimum age.

Despite the above, BSA has kept the position in the T/O. There is a BSA "Den Chief" handbook. This describes the Den Chief's duties, the required training to obtain the "Trained" patch, the various Den Chief's cords and the method of obtaining Honors, the certificate and the Den Chief Honor Cord. I always train the Den Chiefs in conjunction with the requesting Cub Master. We use the Den Chief's Hand Book. Also, in my local council, each district holds an annual "Show And Do" Conference with classes for Den Chiefs. The TRAINED patch is earned "On the spot" at these conferences. As a Scoutmaster/Skipper and local commodore,, I work hard at keeping in close communication with my fellow Scout Leaders. In my area, the Scoutmasters make a special effort to meet with the Den Chiefs in their troop on a weekly basis. Also, we strive to ensure that the Den Chiefs are invited to the Pack Committee meetings. We try very hard to have the Den Leader Coaches take on responsibility for the Den Leaders. It takes constant, concentrated effort. IMHO, the ideal coordinator would be an effective Commissioner.

IMHO, Den Chiefs are one of the most important positions in Scouting. The continuation of kids in Scouting is very dependent upon their working with "cool" Den Chiefs. However, the reverse is true so don't install dweebs, dorks, nerds or weanies. When each area den has one of your kids as Den Chief, your troop will have a continuous flow of members. Kids won't go anywhere that they don't know someone.

My personal ship has many, many kids that were Cub Scouts in a Den with one of my Sea Scouts (then one of my Cabin Boys) as Den Chief. As local Commodore, I actively support the Den Chief program. I firmly believe that the Den Chief program is one of the reasons that our Sea Exploring Squadron dwarfs the Exploring program in my local council. Kids stay with the program that has their friends in it and that is familiar, fun, challenging and "cool"!

YISS;

Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:23:00 PDT
From:    Murphy Peter <MurphyP@RND3.INDY.TCE.COM>
Subject: Managing Den Chiefs

Maybe I don't have much to offer but this subject really interest me because I am a Cubmaster and could always use more Den Chiefs.  My oldest son, wife, and I have been with the Troop where our Den Chiefs come from for only 4 1/2 months.  The one thing that really worked GREAT is the boy that was the Den Chief for my wife's Webelos den stayed as the Troop Guide for them when they crossed over to the Troop and my wife crossed over as the ASM for the new scout patrol.  He's been very helpful in advising the new boys on campouts, working with them on advancement, and consulting with each boy when it's their month to be Patrol Leader for the new scout patrol.  After just 4 months the entire new scout patrol has completed Second Class (minus BOR) and have over half of their First Class requirements completed.  Maybe it isn't the program - maybe it's the boy in this case.  He's just made Life and in all my dealings with him on Troop outings he's demonstrated that he's more mature and dependable than his older brother who is our current SPL.  After summer camp, the Troop was grumbling about needing new elections so I wouldn't be surprised if this Troop Guide gets elected SPL next month.

YiS,

Peter Murphy

CM, Pack 125, Outings/Activities, Troop 125

Del-Mi District, Crossroads of America Council (Indianapolis)

murphyp@tcemail.indy.tce.com

I believe that the common thread of these messages is:

· Den Chiefs are often assigned while they are too young and inexperienced. The Scout must be well seasoned with information prior to working with the Den.

· The position is not treated as a leadership position by all unit leaders

· Training is hit or miss in many cases. There is a Den Chief Handbook (1991 printing - LK33211) that should address many issues and areas. In my opinion, both the Den Leader and Den Chief should go through much of the training together in order to form a cohesive team.

· The Den Chief Handbook (LK33211) may not part of the Resources department in the Scout office, however it should be available from the Scout Shop. With enough requests you may get your Resources office to stock it among their training materials.

Date:    Thu, 13 Jul 1995 11:34:17 CST
From:    Jim Sleezer <JHS8@OSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject: Den Chiefs

We've had some discussion on this topic before and I hope I do not duplicate unnecessarily.  However, we have a lot of new people who may not know how to look through the archives.

Anyway . . .

Den Chiefs are a vital part of both the pack and the troop operation.  The office of den chief is particularly valuable for younger scouts who are not yet ready to take on the challenge of leading a patrol.  As a youth, we had a policy that a person could not become a den chief until he had achieved tenderfoot rank and had been ACTIVE in the troop for at least six months. (In those days, membership was an age issue, not grade related)

In my troop we had several den chiefs, some of whom worked with our institution related pack, and some with other packs.  This was one of our strongest recruiting tools.  Those cubs who went on to Boy Scouting generally joined their den chief's troop.

One of the things that I think made it work well for us was that all the den chiefs in our pack met monthly with an ACM who kept us briefed on upcoming themes and activities.  He taught us a new game or two each month and we talked about problems we were having.  We got ideas for handling problem situations although it was always stressed that it was not our role to discipline any cub--this was strictly a role for the den leader.  We discussed what our jobs would be at the next pack meeting.  Mostly, we worked with our dens but we usually had a little part in the meeting, especially if we had boys in our den who were getting their arrow of light (Webelos) badge. Sometimes we escorted parents to the front of the room, sometimes we held props for the leaders.  We led the grand howl for all those who received awards each meeting.

We had a troop committee member who met with us (and the ACM) about once every three months to see how things were going.  He coordinated recognition in the troop--after all, we were troop officers.  The den chief cord was always presented at a troop meeting.  New den chiefs were introduced at pack meetings but their cord was never given there.

We were expected to participate in troop activities as any other scout would. Den meetings were an extra but because we were treated special by the pack leaders, we never felt it was a burden.

At a typical meeting, I arrived a few minutes before the cubs.  I quickly reviewed the meeting plan with the DL and ADL.  Generally, I did the pre-opening activity--something the cubs could join as they arrived.  That also gave the DL a chance to collect dues and check advancements.

The Denner lead the opening ceremony.  The DL usually conducted the business portion of the meeting (i.e., planning outings, special activities, etc.). During this time, I often helped the ADL set up the meeting's activity and was ready to assist the cubs when the business was over (usually less than five minutes).  Sometimes I helped with the business.  After the activity I generally managed a game of some type (used ACM's suggestions).  The Denner led the closing.  After the meeting, I stayed a few minutes to help with cleanup and check plans for the following week.

I was a den chief for three years but for most of two of those years I had two dens (different packs, different meeting days).  I enjoyed them both but always felt most important in the pack where the ACM worked with us.  In the other pack, most of the den leaders did not have den chiefs--I heard one say they were more trouble than the cubs.  Where the ACM worked with us, every den had at least one den chief and occasionally a den had two.  I clearly believe that the success was directly tied to the training and support that the ACM provided.  He believed that Den chiefs were important and made us feel that way.

Of course, I also came from a scouting family--my mother was a den mother (no den leaders in those days) for 15 years, retiring only after I had received my Webelos and graduated into boy scouting.  Our den always had at least one den chief and at one time had four--we had 24 boys in the den but operated a lot like three dens.  All of our den chiefs were active in Scouting and of the five I can remember, four received eagle, three were on summer camp staff, all served as SPL at one time or another.  I couldn't wait to join their troop when I turned 11.

I do not remember a council or district training course for den chiefs but our ACM more than made up for any lack of formal training.  I believe that a trained den chief is a real asset, an untrained one can be the problem I mentioned above--nothing but an overgrown cub!!

BTW, about every three months we had a den chief cookout as part of our meeting with the ACM.  That month, the CM, committee chair, and a few other adults also attended to see what ideas we had for making things work better.

I would remind den chiefs who were not attending troop meetings that their position was a troop office, not a pack office, and that if they were not remaining active in the troop, then they could not hold the office.  Be sure to get pack support for this.

From time to time, I see packs recruiting den chiefs directly.  I always remind them that they need to contact the SM.  Unfortunately, some SMs don't fulfill their role.

I've rambled enough.  Hope this helps.

Jim Sleezer

Roundtable Commissioner, Pawnee Bill District, Will Rogers Council

Stillwater, Oklahoma

JHS8 at OSUVM1.BITNET	JHS8 at VM1.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU (Internet)

Jims recollections do a good job in pointing out one of the most effective ways to handle volunteers … LIKE GOLD! The Den Chiefs he speaks about are volunteers in the Cub Scout units and I trust that you can see an effective way to handle them. Start with training. Continue with communication. Finish with appreciation for a job well done. Mid course correction is part of the training and communication process because they assure that the job will be well done.

I noted that the continuing education of the Den Chief appeared to be the responsibility of one of the Packs Assistant Cubmasters. That seems to be logical since they will be working so closely with them during the Pack and Den meetings.

In one of my messages I suggested that additional Den Chief training may be occasionally offered at Roundtable. This was one of the reply messages.

From: Stella Maris B Hall <stella@strauss.udel.edu>
To: "Paul L. Eustace" <73542.655@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Den Chief...

roundtables are for adult leaders.  this is training.  this is also a place for them to share concerns, experiences, etc.  roundtables is not for the youth.  any youth.  this is not "made up", it is clearly spelled out in the roundtable training manuals for both programs: cub scouts and boy scouts. den chiefs receive their basic training when they attend the Den Chief  Training Conference, conducted by the cub scout training team.  the den leader whom the den chief serves puts the "final touches" to this basic training, so as to fit the dynamics of that particular den.

the den chief serves the den and den leader.  the sm and troop have little if any to do with it.  the reason he serves as den chief is to: (a) fulfill the requirement of leadership needed for his personal advancement and (b) to act a public relations link for the troop and recruit as many webelos as possible.

important: the den leader has final say as to whether the den chief is doing what is expected of him, or whether he is shipped back to the troop and get a replacement.

don't mean to interfere with your plans, but it may be advantageous for you read as much as possible on the matter so as to avoid possible conflicts.  It is a good program if it is run the way it is designed.

YIS,

stella hall,  del-mar-va council

Ms. Hall brings up a very valid point about the Roundtable being designed for Adults. This does not reduce the need for supplemental Den Chief training, however, and Roundtable may be one of the more effective venues. But, I can understand that RT Staffs may not want to share their time with the leaders. (Personal experience dictates that they are jealous of their time!)

I served as Scout Leader Training Chairman for a couple of years, but never have worked on a Cub Scout Training session aside from doing Youth Protection Training Sessions, so I have to believe her when she states that the Cub Scout Training Team presents the Den Chief Training. However, I have the feeling that some districts dont provide that training consistently.

Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:29:13 -0700
From: Alan Houser <troop24@emf.net>
Message-Id: <199507280629.XAA03774@emf.emf.net>
To: 73542.655@COMPUSERVE.COM
Subject: Den Chief Training

We have started using Den Chiefs more in our troop program. A couple of years ago we had a great recruiting success, and now we have a lot more First Class Scouts than we have leadership positions. Den Chief Training has been scarce in our district, so we decided to put on our own course in June before summer camp.

Using the BSA syllabus and some help from another SM who had put on the last DC course. Using his Scouts who had been through the last course and some experienced Junior Leaders from our troop, we had a solid staff and 11 of our Scouts took the course. 4 of them immediately put their new training to work by serving on staff at Cub Day Camp, and I was pleased at the glowing reports from the Camp Director.

We placed 6 of the 11 Scouts into dens during the year, and for the most part, it turned out well. One pack was not very obliging (they prefer to work with another troop exclusively), but the DC got along very well with his den leader and the Cubs. In another case, there was a communication problem between the DC and the DL, and apparently with me as well as I didn't find out about it until the year was over.

As a result of that, I will have an Assistant Scoutmaster who will work with all of the Den Chiefs. His role will be to monitor them during the year and to hold periodic group sessions where they can share experiences. I am looking for other ideas that will help strengthen the relationship between the troop and the packs.

This year we are putting on the course for the district, in about a month. And we hope to have at least as many Den Chiefs out there this year.

Alan R. Houser ** Scoutmaster, Berkeley Troop 24 ** troop24@emf.net

** WWW page **  http://www.emf.net/~troop24/t24.html **

How do you close a session like this? There are no real conclusions but there may be some suggestions to leave for Training Staffs, Den Leaders and Scoutmasters. This list is not ordered by importance, just numbered for reference.

1. Push hard to make sure that your District supports the Den Chief program and runs or helps you with Den Chief training and a continuing education program

2. Plan to have an Assistant Scoutmaster/Assistant Cubmaster who works with and holds periodic meetings with your Den Chiefs

3. Treat the Den Chief as a true leadership position

4. Dont appoint Scouts to the position too early (inappropriately young Den Chiefs)

5. Dont orphan the Den Chiefs without support from some knowledgable source

6. Den Chiefs bring their Dens to Troop Meetings once or twice each year

7. Think about allowing the successful Den Chief to transition back to the Troop as the Troop Guide with the new Scouts

Next: Other Discussion: WoodBadge Quickies


Other Discussion: WoodBadge Quickies

I have seen different messages where people have wondered about WoodBadge Patrol names from different countries. I have assembled the following information:

Austria	Pecker	Cuckoo	Pidgeon	Owl
	Raven	Bull	Curlew	Wolf
Australia	Kangaroo	Quokka	Dingo	Kookaburra
	Eagle
Canada	Crow	Deer	Owl	Fox
	Flying Frog
Denmark	Raven	Curlew	Falcon	Cuckoo
	Pigeons	Woodpeckers	Colours
Finland	Cuckoo	Crow	Mallard	Jay
	Owl
Japan	Tiger
Norway	Owl	Woodpecker	Pigeon	Cuckoo
Sweden	Bee	Bumblebee	Wasp	Mosquito
	The Flame	The Smoke
Switzerland	Names made up by participants or	Numbers
USA	Beaver	Bobwhite	Eagle	Fox
	Owl	Bear	Buffalo	Antelope
	Raven	Hawk	Tiger
	1950-1960? Early Explorers:	Kit Carson	Jim Bridger
			William Clark	Daniel Boone
Next: The Cooking School


The Cooking School

TO:	Paul Eustace (73542,655)
FROM:	Rick Rambo (72440,2664)

I just got around to checking out the July CSR, and like the Idea of a cooking section. Here is a simple recipe for BBQ Chicken wings (or anything else I guess) If you let the boys watch you put it together, they will never believe how it tastes.

Time 30-45 min
375 degrees

Use the ingredients in this proportion:
One Can of Coke
8 ounces of Catsup
Salt & Pepper to taste
Chicken wings

What I do is decide how much chicken I want and then add the liquid until it covers them. 1st Brown the chicken in the Dutch oven, then Add the Coke and catsup. Let Boil for 30 to 45 minutes.

This is so simple but tastes great!

YIS
Rick Rambo (72440,2664)
(I used to be an Owl)

BUFFALO WINGS

If you have tried Buffalo Wings (originated at the Anchor in Buffalo, NY) and wanted to bring them out to your campouts Id like to suggest Shaken Bake Buffalo Wings. We have tried them here and they turn out great! To reduce the fat content, I have substituted (at an increase in the cost of the meal) sliced lean chicken breast. Bake the Wings in your Dutch Oven (a layer of aluminum foil on the bottom) and serve them at the cracker-barrel along with a creamy salad dressing (Bleu Cheese Dressing is the original) and celery sticks  and stand back! Be prepared for the complaints that you didnt make enough.

Next Month's Topic


Next Month's Topic

Topic for October: Scoutmaster Conference

Each month's topic is presented on CompuServe: just "GO EARTH" and check the SCOUTING message section. See About the CSR Roundtable for additional details.

Future topics that I want to touch on include:

The Good Turn and How The OA Fits Into The Picture

How To Thank Your Scouting Supporters In Writing

Varsity/Venture Scouting: How it helps the Troop

International Scouting: Reaching Out Past the Border

What To Do With The 18-21 Year Old In The Troop

Please send your ideas and comments to me via E-Mail at 73542,655 (73542.655@compuserve.com). I'll package them and share your wit & wisdom as the packets come out in the futureSee About the CSR Roundtable for additional details.

Closing


Roundtable Closing

Let's all stand to sing Scout Vespers

Softly falls the light of day,	"Have I kept my honor bright?	"I have kept my honor bright.
While our campfire fades away.	Can I guiltless sleep tonight?	I can guiltless sleep tonight.
Silently each Scout should ask	Have I done and have I dared	I have done and I have dared
"Have I done my daily task?"	Everything to be prepared?"	Everything to be prepared."
I thank all of you who have attended our CyberScout Roundtable and I look forward to our next meeting.

May the Great Master of All Scouts be with us until we meet again.

For feedback please E-Mail me directly at 73542,655

Yours in Scouting & WWW,
Paul Eustace (73542,655)
CSR-Commissioner

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Help file compiled by:

Paul Johnson (74724,3473)(Internet: 74724.3473@compuserve.com)

Committee Chairman, Troop #134 Six Mile, SC


Acronym List

This is a collection of acronyms used around CompuServe collected from a variety of general sources.  If you know of any that are missing, please let us know and we will periodically update this file with your additions.

Scouting Acronyms:

CC	Committee Chairman

CM	Cubmaster

DC	District Commissioner

DE	District Executive

DL	Den Leader

EA	Explorer Advisor

MC	Member of Committee

OA	Order of the Arrow

RT	Roundtable

SA	Assistant Scoutmaster (2 of 2)

SM	Scoutmaster

UC	Unit Commissioner

WDL	Webelos Den Leader

WDYB	Webelos Do Your Best

YPT	Youth Protection Training

"42"	Merit Badge Counselor

CSR	CyberScout Roundtable

JLTC	Junior Leader Training Conference

NJLIC	National Junior Leader Instructor Camp

WB	WoodBadge

Other Acronyms:

BBL	Be Back Later

BFN	Bye For Now

BRB	Be Right Back

BTW	By The Way

CAD	Control-Alternate-Delete  or  Computer Aided Design

CIM	CompuServe Information Manager-The program

CIS	CompuServe Information Service

CP	Copy Protection

FB	Files Busy

FUBAR	Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition

FWIW	For What It's Worth

FYI	For Your Information

g	grin - usually in brackets or angles  <g>  or  [g]

gd&h	grinning, ducking and hiding

gd&r	grinning, ducking and running

gd&r,vvf	grinning, ducking and running, very very fast

HSIK	How Should I Know

IAE	In Any Event

IANAL	I Am Not A Lawyer

INAL	I'm Not A Lawyer

IMO	In My Opinion

IMHO	In My Humble Opinion

IOW	In Other Words

JFYI	Just For Your Information

LOL	Laughing Out Loud

LMAO	Laughing My <ahem> Off

NBD	No Big Deal

NOYB	None Of Your Business

OIC	Oh, I See

OTL	Out To Lunch

OTOH	On The Other Hand

PITA	Pain In The Arse

PMFJI	Pardon Me For Jumping In

PMJI	Pardon My Jumping In

PPN	Programmer Project Number; now known as ID# or UserId

PTB	Powers That Be

RNA	Ring, No Answer (communication or telephone term for a problem)

ROFL	Rolling On Floor Laughing

ROTF	Rolling On The Floor

ROTF,L	Rolling On The Floor, Laughing

RSN	Real Soon Now

RTFM	Read The Fine Manual

SL	Section Leader

SNAFU	Situation Normal, All "fixed" Up

Sysop	Systems Operator; person who manages a Forum

TANJ	There Ain't No Justice

TANSTAAFL	There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

TIA	Thanks In Advance

TIC	Tongue In Cheek

TPTB	The Powers That Be

TSR	Terminate and Stay Resident (Computer Program)

TTFN	Ta Ta For Now

TTYL	Talk To You Later

WizOp	Wizard Sysop; the primary Forum Administrator/Sysop

WOA	Work Of Art

WTH	What The Heck

WYSIWYG	What you see is what you get


About the CSR Roundtable

Need help using this file? See How To Use the CyberScout Roundtable Help File.

How the CyberScout Roundtable Works:

The purpose of our Roundtable is two fold: It is to be Educational and it should provide Entertainment. Each month a topic is posted on several services, and discussion is collected. This material is assembled into into the CyberScout Roundtable and distributed in several formats. See the CyberScout Roundtable distribution policy.

To Participate:

The CyberScout Roundtable depends on your participation. Add our comments and ideas to each months discussion. If you have material you think should be included with the distribution, you may e-mail it directly to Paul Eustace (73542.655@compuserve.com). Monthly distribution often includes additional topics besides the main topic.

Participation and Distribution on CompuServe

Participation and Distribution on the U. S. Scouting Service(world wide web site)

Participation and Distribution on Scouts-L(internet list server)

For feedback please E-Mail me directly at 73542,655 (CompuServe)
Yours in Scouting & WWW,
Paul Eustace (73542,655)
Feisty Fox of SC-394-24
Sam Houston Area Council
Houston, Texas
CSR-Commissioner

Resources:

Scouts-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU Messages

Scoutings Library of Literature (70-080 1/94)

CompuServe Scouting Forum Messages

This file was compiled by Paul L. Johnson. E-mail comments, sugestions or questions on this help file or it's creation directly to him:
CompuServe: Paul Johnson, 74724,3473
Internet: Paul Johnson, 74724,3473@compuserve.com
Most other on-line services support internet e-mail.


CyberScout Roundtable Participation on CompuServe

To Participate:

Each month's topic is presented on CompuServe: just "GO EARTH" and check the SCOUTING message sections. CyberScout Rountable messages will have a topic starting with "CSR". Reply to the topic message with your questions, comments, ideas, etc. or E-mail Paul Eustace directly at 73542,655.

File Distribution:

After each month's CyberScout Roundtable files are completed, they are uploaded to CompuServe: just "GO OUTSIDE" and check the SCOUTING library section. Files are distrubed in several formats, see Standard CSR Format for additional details.


CyberScout Roundtable Participation on the U. S. Scouting Service

The U.S. Scouting Service Project is glad to announce that it is teaming up with Paul Eustace (73542.655@compuserve.com) and  Paul Johnson (74724.3473@compuserve.com) to bring web user's access to the CyberScout Roundtable (CSR). Paul Eustace is the CSR-Commisioner. CSR archives are available on our web site. Just point your web browser to:

        http://www.HiWAAY.net/hyper/Scouts/rt_csr.html

for complete details. From this page, you can also find out the current and future topics so you can be prepared to participate. Paul L. Johnson will be posting the topics to the Scouts-L listserv  and monitoring the message traffic there so it can be included in the monthly CSRs.

The U. S. Scouting Service is maintained by Chris Marsey (hyper@HiWAAY.net), Advancement Chairman for Troop 476, Tennessee Valley Council. The U. S. Scouting service home page (http://www.hiwaay.net/hyper/Scouts) has a lot  of scouting material besides the CSR, web users should check it out!


CyberScout Roundtable Participation on Scouts-L

Each month's topic is presented on Scouts-L. Scouts-L is a "list service" on the internet. Discussions are distributed to subscribers via e-mail. in their own words: "SCOUTS-L provides opportunities for members of youth groups world-wide to interact, compare notes on their programs, discuss organizational problems and concerns, and communicate with members all over the world!" Scouts-L postings on the current CyberScout Roundtable topic are collected and included with the regular distribution. See the U. S. Scouting Service  for file distribution.

Subscribing to Scouts-L is easy: Just send an internet e-mail message to:

LISTSERV@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU

The body of the message should read:

SUBSCRIBE SCOUTS-L your name

Shortly after subscribing, you will receive introductory information (via. e-mail- read it!) and discussion messages. If desired, you can select the digest option by sending another message with the text:

SET SCOUTS-L DIGEST

With the digest option set, you will receive1 large message/file (about 80k) instead of 50-100 individual messages daily.

To post a message on Scouts-L, you send it to another address (provided in the introductory information), and the list server automatically re-broadcasts it to all subscribers.

Compuserve Users:
Subscribe using the address:
INTERNET:LISTSERV@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU
Be sure to enable the digest option, as you are charged for each message received!


CyberScout Roundtable Distribution Policy

The CyberScout Roundtable is provided as a service to scouters everywhere. Please pass (copies of) the CyberScout Roundtable file(s) on to any interested scouters. No fee may be charged for the distribution of these files without the express permission of the CyberScout Roundtable staff. Portions of this material may be used in other publications as long as appropriate credit to the CyberScout Roundtable is provided, and no fee is charged for those publications. Contact Paul Eustace (73542.655@compuserve.com) for additional details.

Effective 4/1/1995


How To Use the CyberScout Roundtable Help File

If you made it this far, you already know about the the underlined green text "hot spots". Underlined green text is normally indicates a "hypertext" link to another topic or related information. A solid underline indicates a jump to that topic, a dashed underline indicates a popup (the information will be displayed until you click the mouse, then returns to the previous screen). You can also print topics or "cut" text to "paste" into other programs.

Most of the information is arranged so that the browse buttons [image] let you scan the material in sequence. This is the easiest way to scan through this file. Many of the topics contain more information than fits in one screen. In those cases a vertical "scroll bar" will appear on the right side of the window. Use this (or the up and down keyboard arrows) to see the rest of the information. The browse buttons can be selected with a mouse, or pressing Alt-< or Alt-> on the keyboard.

Other Useful Buttons:

Contents: Moves to the opening screen of the CyberScout Roundtable. This button can be selected with a mouse, or pressing Alt-C on the keyboard.

Search: Brings up a search window, letting you search for topics and key information covered in this and past issues of the CyberScout Roundtable. This button can be selected with a mouse, or pressing Alt-S on the keyboard.

Back: Moves to the previous screen. This button can be selected with a mouse, or pressing Alt-B on the keyboard.

History: Brings up a list of the topics you have viewed. A quick way to jump back to a previous page. This button can be selected with a mouse, or pressing Alt-H on the keyboard.

Contents: Moves to the opening screen of the CyberScout Roundtable. This button can be selected with a mouse, or pressing Alt-C on the keyboard.

CSR-Index: Brings up an index of all CyberScout Roundtables. Select the button for additional details. This button can be selected with a mouse, or pressing Alt-I on the keyboard.

About CSR: Brings up an additional information on the CyberScout Roundtable. Select the button for additional details. This button can be selected with a mouse, or pressing Alt-A on the keyboard.

This file was compiled by Paul L. Johnson. E-mail comments, sugestions or questions on this help file or it's creation directly to him:
CompuServe: Paul Johnson, 74724,3473
Internet: Paul Johnson, 74724,3473@compuserve.com
Most other on-line services support internet e-mail.


Printing Topics, Cutting Material for Other Windows Programs

You can print topics from this file by selecting File>Print from the help file menu. This will send a copy of the current topic to your attached printer.

You can also "cut" information for use in other programs by selecting Edit>Copy... from the help file menu. You can then "paste" the text into your favorite word processor ot other application.


CyberScout Roundtable Index

This issue of the CyberScout Roundtable can index and jump to past issues. Select the desired issue from the list below for a short description, or use the Search button to look for a topic. In order for this feature to work, you must have all issues (.hlp) files in the same directory, and load the latest issue from that directory. Past issues can be downloaded from CompuServe and other sources. See Standard CSR Format for details.

April, 1995: WEBELOS to Scout Transition

May, 1995: Junior Leader Training

June, 1995: Eagle Rank: Down To The Wire

July, 1995: Commissioner Service

August, 1995: The Troop Meeting

September, 1995: Den Chiefs

October, 1995: The Scoutmaster Conference


CyberScout Roundtable for April, 1995

File Name:	CSR-504.HLP

Main Topic:	Webelos to Scout Transition

Open the  April, 1995 CyberScout Roundtable

This issue can be downloaded from CompuServe: see Standard CSR Format for details.


CyberScout Roundtable for May, 1995

File Name:	CSR-505.HLP

Main Topic:	Junior Leader Training

Also:	Comments and Ideas about Meetings
Scout Ages and Ranks

Open the  May, 1995 CyberScout Roundtable

This issue can be downloaded from CompuServe: see Standard CSR Format for details.


CyberScout Roundtable for June, 1995

File Name:	CSR-506.HLP

Main Topic:	Eagle Rank: Down To The Wire

Also:	Twelve Steps From Life To Eagle
Eagle Application Check List
GORP

Open the  June, 1995 CyberScout Roundtable

This issue can be downloaded from CompuServe: see Standard CSR Format for details.


CyberScout Roundtable for July, 1995

File Name:	CSR-507.HLP

Main Topic:	Commissioner Service

Also:	CyberScout on the Internet
Cooking School: Guadeloupe Chili Pie, Scout Pizza

Open the  July, 1995 CyberScout Roundtable

This issue can be downloaded from CompuServe and other sources: see Standard CSR Format for details.


CyberScout Roundtable for August, 1995

File Name:	CSR-508.HLP

Main Topic:	The Troop Meeting

Also:	Jamboree on the Air
Cooking School: The Altman Oven

Open the  August, 1995 CyberScout Roundtable

This issue can be downloaded from CompuServe and other sources: see Standard CSR Format for details.


CyberScout Roundtable for September, 1995

File Name:	CSR-509.HLP

Main Topic:	Den Chiefs

Also:	Woodbadge Quickies
Cooking School: BBQ Chicken Wings

Open the  September, 1995 CyberScout Roundtable

This issue can be downloaded from CompuServe and other sources: see Standard CSR Format for details.